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Date:Saturday October 1 2011
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Hornet's crash and burn at Southampton
WATFORD'S RECENT progress was set back with a heavy defeat at St Mary's this afternoon.
Rickie Lambert did the bulk of the damage with two penalties before Guly Do Prado and Lee Holmes wrapped up the points for Nigel Adkins men.
Watford were robbed of the services of left-back Carl Dickinson prior to kick-off with the full-back suffering from illness.
In came centre-half David Mirfin for his league debut alongside Martin Taylor. Lloyd Doyley and Aidy Mariappa filled in at left and right-back respectively.
Southampton made two changes, bringing in striker Steve De Ridder and midfielder, Dean Hammond.
The 'Orns fell behind in the 22nd minute when Lambert was handed a controversial penalty with John Eustace deemed to have handled the ball.
Replays showed that the 'Orns skipper had not handled the ball. The Saints striker coolly dispatched the resulting penalty.
Half-time: 1-0
Lambert doubled his side's lead 10 minutes after half-time with a second penalty after Mariappa pulled the former Bristol Rovers man down. Once more he dusted himself down to convert from 12 yards.
The third was well finished by Brazilian Guly, who stroked past Rene Gilmartin with the outside of his left boot after Adam Lallana's pass.
With just two minutes to go, substitute Lee Holmes completed the job when he drove through Gilmartin from 20 yards.
Full-time: 4-0
Not a good afternoon for the Hornet's who missed a few chances of their own. The decision by Dyche to include a previously 'doubtful' Jonathan Hogg seems slightly misguided with the midfielder pulled off at half-time.
Furthermore Gilmartin's first busy afternoon in the Hornet's goal resulted in a sloppy fourth for the Saints.
Southampton: Davis; Richardson, Fonte, Hooiveld, Fox; De Ridder (Chaplow 64), Hammond, Cork (Schneiderlin 73), Lallana (Holmes 86); Guly, Lambert.
Not used: Bialkowski (GK) & Martin.
Watford: Gilmartin; Mariappa, Mirfin Taylor, Doyley; Yeates (Deeney 55); Eustace (c), Hogg (Jenkins 46), Forsyth; Garner, Sordell (Iwelumo 60).
Not used: Loach (GK) & Bennett.
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Despite the fact that Gilmartin may have done slightly better with the fourth both John Marks and Steven McGinn made a point of saying how well Gilmartin had done and that he made 2 really good saves in the second half.
chriswfc
Good. Still don't think he's the answer.
wfc123
I really hate to see my team lose, the players are working hard, I know I harp on, but please, bring in some one capable of assisting Dyche with team tactics, we haven't got any.
ANDY710
The fact we dominated the game for the first 25 minutes creating a couple of good chances and limiting theirs until a shocking penalty decision went against us shows our game plan was awful does it. Get real!
chriswfc
Like I keep on... We need better leadership from the top... S D is NOT the man in my view... He doesn't know when to change things on the pitch when things aren't going to plan... We have no plan B... Most of the time we have no plan A... Change or we will go down & no one wants that... There is still time...
watford1881
I definitely agree that we have no plan B & I definitely agree that he needs an experienced No.2 in the Burkinshaw mould. Our most successful period with an experienced manager was when Aidy Boothroyd had Burkinshaw alongside him.
wfc123
Chris, what is it with you? Perhaps your the one that should get real! I am not calling for Dyche to go, I have said I don't think we will go down, I point out that we don't defend at corners, No man left up front for corners, but your quick to say that you don't concede as much with every one back and yet we do. I don't see any quality movement at corners or free kicks, , yes, we can string a pass or two, but if your telling me that the football on offer is an improvement of the last 3 years. I don't always agree with 1881 but I read what he says and I don't knock him and yet, if i or someone else point out what We think is wrong, you are totally dismissive. 25 mins and creating 2 chances, great news, but the game is 90 mins long, they took 4 chances, we didn't take any. Get a life mate
ANDY710
Re. leaving men up at corners. Don't know why we don't because the more we leave up the more they have to leave back. Odd.
wfc123
We have no flare or any player who can do something out of nothing.. Maybe M S is the nearest to it but otherwise we have nothing... We are dire... Forest sacked there manager because of there view that they need a change... They are rubbish but we were worse when we played them... We are in need of a change... QUICKLY...
watford1881
You would advocate sacking Dyche then yes?
wfc123
Dyche has brought in a few players, removing Dyche would mean a manager who would probably want different players and a new back room staff. The cost implications are not realistic. However, as wfc123 states, an experienced number 2 would be realistic.
ANDY710
I agree with you Andy!
wfc123
From where I sit at the Vic I can see the bench clearly... When changes need to take place Dyche stands out on his own while the two guys behind him seam to be deciding on the changes... Dyche is the front man but he ain't in charge... Next time at the Vic do more watching of the bench you'll see what I see too... If we change nothing we will go down... If we change manager we have a chance... This is the worst team we've had for 10 years... Mark my words in the next 3/4 month you'll start to come round to my way of thinking.. By then it will be too late...
watford1881
I don't watch the bench enough to see this, but with regards to this being the worst team in ages I can't agree. We've had worse teams in the early to mid 2000's, under Ray Lewington for example we were weaker year-on-year. I would say some player's don't look up to it at times though.
wfc123
The way we're playing this season the only entertainment has been watching the bench.. Under Lewington we had a team... The players played to there strengths & played as a team... Now we play the same tactics week in week out.. The teams we play only need to watch one video & they know what our tactics are.. The tides will change when the masses see us rock bottom...
watford1881
Wow 1881, you haven't just come back from the Tory conference, have you? Mate, we have played a lot worse than at present. To be fare to lewington, he did very well with the resources available, but at times we didn't play well. Vialli was a shocker, but Steve Perryman and even Dave Basset make the current team look world class. Your not wrong in relation to tactics, but I do not see us as one of the worse teams in this league, keep the faith.
ANDY710
Wish I could... Lack of drive & passion is killing us...
watford1881
I have watched the bench this season. I see nothing out of the ordinary. What i see on our bench i see happen at pretty much all the other benches in the premier league. The manager has a quick word with one or both of the coaches and tells them what change he wants and then they organise it. Go through the tactics book prepare the player, give him the tactics and sort the sub out while the manager continues to watch the game. I have seen this season Dyche talking to the coaches at points while they hold the tactics books which indicates to me he is very much involved. The process i have explained is the way substitutions are done not just at our club but at clubs in the premier league and from what i have seen the visiting clubs that have come to us this season do it that way to. So i wouldnt agree Dyche is no good with respect to subs because we do it the same way as everybody else. Whether thats the right way to do it or not, all of football is right or all of football is wrong. But we dont do anything different to others and therefore should not be singled out for criticism in my opinion. And i also have to say that this team has had plenty of passion, energy and effort this season. I dont think that is the problem. That is a lack of cutting edge in the final third to convert our possesion into chances and goals. I dont think anyone can accuse of of a lack of passion, drive, energy and effort.
chriswfc
At the beginning of the season we had the worst chance conversion rate, 4%, despite having the most on-target efforts in the division. I don't know what that stands at now but it would suggest we need to improve on our goal-scoring. Sordell is looking lazy, Garner looks good and at the risk of jumping on a bandwagon, Deeney & Iwelumo still don't look like scoring. Re. subs, Chris is right, that's what happens at every groudn I've ever been to, presumably the same here. The worrying thing for us is we not had an insubstantial amount of money this season but bar Hogg and Dickinson, who can we say's proven to be a good addition so far? Lewington to his credit usually made his signings work out - Ardley, Dyche, Devlin, Webber to name four.
wfc123
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